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 Post subject: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2016 10:30 am 
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Plexi MK11 has that just about breaking up sound but doesn't "sizzle" enough. Any mods other than on the schematic page or am I looking at the TMB? I have numerous pedals but seems to defeat the object.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:07 pm 
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Cascaded thru the normal channel

and or

Boot strap the cf


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:38 pm 
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If you used the 470K /470K divider on the TMB channel, you can alter that to let more signal through. Its curently taking off about half the signal so replace the R42 470K resistor with 330K or 220K.

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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:43 pm 
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Ok, I've gone for the TMB version now and still no bite! Tried using Tele with custom pickups and two Les Pauls with amp cranked to max (using VRM). Others have mentioned the cascade mod but I'm out of my depth on the schematic as it's my first build. Any help for dummies appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:00 pm 
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TMB requires the replacement of the 500K pot to 1M, did you do that? Did you remove or change the 470Kll470K divider and to what??

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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:02 pm 
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Changed the pot to 1m and removed divider. Still very clean to me. I would expect to get a very shaggy sounding amp by now.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:34 pm 
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Yeah, really. Most people think that's the max. Assuming this is the TMB channel, you might want to look at the bypass cap on the first stage. Increase it to a max of 25. And you may want to increase that plate resistor to 120-150K from 100K.
Then we would look at the PI.
The cascade mod is cool but its a big change and you'd still want to be able to use the Normal channel so you need to switch it in/out.

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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:54 pm 
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Ive done the mods, now it just sound muddy. I'm going back to MK11 and stick a pedal in front.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:18 pm 
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Muddy? Cascade mod? How was the normal channel comfigured?
Pretty surprised you cant get enough gain out of that mod.

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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2016 3:37 pm 
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Didn't get as far as the cascade mod. The amp is losing its originality and sounds nothing like the beautiful sound on other clips.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 5:51 am 
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First three chords are tab channel second are normal. Definitely something wrong.
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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:46 am 
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Bigger stick needed to hit over my head. After re checking and re checking, discovered the 1M resistors weren't moved with the VRM to the tube grid!!! Thanks for all the help :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2016 1:48 pm 
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Will you try the gain mods again?

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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:43 am 
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Possibly, I'm still interested in trying the cascade mod as understanding the schematics are getting easier. I've learnt more about amplifiers this way than the original build and having almost built three in the changing between the versions the poor turret board is looking a bit sad now.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:48 pm 
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Is it with the VRM turned down for bedroom levels that you need more gain or is it with VRM on max, so full voltage applied? The preamp looses some gain when you turn down the VRM low since the preamp is scaled as well.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:36 pm 
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Mainly for bedroom levels whilst building. Hoping it blooms when in the studio as sounds a bit harsh. I'm after that woody/hollow sort of sound. With Vrm right down its still pe pretty loud.


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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
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It definitely will come to life with more juice, and bloom it will.

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 Post subject: Re: More gain needed!
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:56 am 
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Bloom it definately did. Barely needed the gain above half so might need to build it back to the original plexi now! :happydance:


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